WEBVTT - This file was automatically generated by VIMEO 0 00:00:04.100 --> 00:00:07.800 Well, good afternoon everybody. My name is Tony Verona, 1 00:00:07.800 --> 00:00:10.600 and I have the honor of serving as the dean of Seattle University 2 00:00:10.600 --> 00:00:13.300 School of Law Welcome to our first 3 00:00:13.300 --> 00:00:16.500 luminaries and law event of the spring semester 4 00:00:16.500 --> 00:00:19.200 everyone. We are thrilled to hope we 5 00:00:19.200 --> 00:00:22.500 were thrilled to host last semester Professor Tanya Hernandez 6 00:00:22.500 --> 00:00:26.100 from Fordham Amazon GC 7 00:00:25.100 --> 00:00:29.700 Davis of polski and Americorps GC 8 00:00:29.700 --> 00:00:32.500 Fernando laguarda this spring tonight. 9 00:00:32.500 --> 00:00:35.900 We have the honor of having Starbucks Executive 10 00:00:35.900 --> 00:00:38.600 Vice President and general counsels, Sabrina 11 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:41.400 Jenkins and look forward to you. 12 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:49.500 And look forward this spring to or 13 00:00:48.500 --> 00:00:51.400 later this spring welcoming Penn 14 00:00:51.400 --> 00:00:54.400 law professor Dorothy Roberts discussing her 15 00:00:54.400 --> 00:00:58.000 book on racism and the foster care system Seattle University 16 00:00:57.700 --> 00:01:00.300 law Alum, Jeff Farah who's 17 00:01:00.300 --> 00:01:03.500 the executive director of the new autonomous vehicles industry 18 00:01:03.500 --> 00:01:05.300 Association or Avia? 19 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:10.400 And another Seattle U law alumna Twila Carter 20 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:13.400 the CEO and attorney in Chief 21 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:15.500 of the Legal Aid Society of New York. 22 00:01:16.700 --> 00:01:19.600 Seattle University School of Law 23 00:01:19.600 --> 00:01:22.400 and Seattle University really is about the future 24 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:25.600 and here we are about the future of law in 25 00:01:25.600 --> 00:01:29.300 the heart of a Global Hub of forward-looking innovation. 26 00:01:28.300 --> 00:01:31.300 So I am delighted in 27 00:01:31.300 --> 00:01:34.400 our 50th anniversary year to get to Welcome 28 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:37.100 to our law school luminaries that are 29 00:01:37.100 --> 00:01:40.900 lighting the way into the future of law practice. So without 30 00:01:40.900 --> 00:01:43.900 further Ado, let's welcome our very 31 00:01:43.900 --> 00:01:46.900 special guest this evening Sabrina Jenkins from 32 00:01:46.900 --> 00:01:47.000 her. 33 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:54.300 Let me read to you a little bit from her Starbucks bio and 34 00:01:53.300 --> 00:01:56.600 then a number of you have submitted 35 00:01:56.600 --> 00:01:59.600 questions, which you could continue to submit through 36 00:01:59.600 --> 00:02:04.700 luminaries at seattleu.edu. Those 37 00:02:03.700 --> 00:02:06.100 of you online can do 38 00:02:06.100 --> 00:02:09.100 that. And if you're in the room, you should do that too. So that I could get 39 00:02:09.100 --> 00:02:14.400 them all here and work some of your questions into my interview luminaries 40 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:15.500 at Seattle U 41 00:02:15.500 --> 00:02:18.100 dot edu as we've done this in the 42 00:02:18.100 --> 00:02:21.400 pet these interviews in the past having you submit questions 43 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.600 as I interview makes us all interview our VIP 44 00:02:24.600 --> 00:02:27.900 guest at the same time. So it's it's 45 00:02:27.900 --> 00:02:31.700 made for lively conversation. Zabrina. Jenkins 46 00:02:31.700 --> 00:02:34.300 is acting Executive Vice President general counsel for 47 00:02:34.300 --> 00:02:37.500 Starbucks leading legal and Regulatory Affairs Global 48 00:02:37.500 --> 00:02:40.300 Security and ethics and compliance for 49 00:02:40.300 --> 00:02:43.600 the company additionally Ms. Jenkins 50 00:02:43.600 --> 00:02:47.000 serves as an executive Champion to the Starbucks black partner 51 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.600 Network and an advisor to the diversity committee 52 00:02:49.600 --> 00:02:49.800 for the 53 00:02:50.300 --> 00:02:53.600 In corporate Affairs Department a Starbucks partner 54 00:02:53.600 --> 00:02:56.400 since 2005 zabrina previously 55 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:59.400 held roles as senior vice president Deputy general 56 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.900 counsel interim Chief ethics and compliance officer lead 57 00:03:02.900 --> 00:03:05.600 legal advisor for tevana and 58 00:03:05.600 --> 00:03:09.500 was a Corps member of the Starbucks 2018, Philadelphia 59 00:03:08.500 --> 00:03:11.700 incident crisis management response 60 00:03:11.700 --> 00:03:12.000 team. 61 00:03:12.700 --> 00:03:16.600 Prior to coming to Starbucks. Zabrina was 62 00:03:16.600 --> 00:03:19.700 an associate at the law firm of Garvey Schubert in Seattle 63 00:03:19.700 --> 00:03:23.200 and during her tenure with the firm. She 64 00:03:22.200 --> 00:03:27.000 focused her practice on commercial litigation and 65 00:03:25.700 --> 00:03:28.300 she's an active 66 00:03:28.300 --> 00:03:32.600 volunteer in both legal and Civic organizations. She's on 67 00:03:32.600 --> 00:03:35.900 the board for the retail opportunity 68 00:03:35.900 --> 00:03:38.600 Investments Corporation. She was 69 00:03:38.600 --> 00:03:41.600 appointed by Governor Inslee in 2019 70 00:03:41.600 --> 00:03:44.700 as a trustee for 71 00:03:44.700 --> 00:03:47.300 the Central Washington University, very important 72 00:03:47.300 --> 00:03:50.600 post and she's a member of the enrollment management 73 00:03:50.600 --> 00:03:54.400 subcommittee there. She's also on the Washington Leadership 74 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:55.100 Institute. 75 00:03:56.900 --> 00:03:59.100 Board and we are board colleagues. So 76 00:03:59.100 --> 00:04:02.600 that's how I've gotten to work with her and and 77 00:04:02.600 --> 00:04:05.800 know her she's a member of the Lauren Miller 78 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.500 bar foundation and previously he serves served 79 00:04:08.500 --> 00:04:11.800 on the boards of the artist trust and 80 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:15.100 several other very important nonprofits. 81 00:04:14.100 --> 00:04:17.500 She as I said as 82 00:04:17.500 --> 00:04:20.200 a graduate of Central Washington University and she 83 00:04:20.200 --> 00:04:23.600 has a master from masters from 84 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.900 Syracuse the school of Ed and a Juris 85 00:04:26.900 --> 00:04:30.400 doctorate from Syracuse c** laude, I will 86 00:04:30.400 --> 00:04:33.100 stop reading her bio now because it gets into some of 87 00:04:33.100 --> 00:04:36.600 the some of her life story which I would like her to 88 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:39.100 share with you. The first question that I 89 00:04:39.100 --> 00:04:42.200 have for you Sabrina is if you would 90 00:04:42.200 --> 00:04:45.200 please tell us about yourself so we know that you went 91 00:04:45.200 --> 00:04:48.500 to Central Washington you did you grow up in Washington 92 00:04:48.500 --> 00:04:51.500 state I did for the most part so my father 93 00:04:51.500 --> 00:04:54.100 was an Air Force 94 00:04:54.100 --> 00:04:55.500 pilot and 95 00:04:56.400 --> 00:04:59.400 His career LED our family out here to Washington 96 00:04:59.400 --> 00:05:02.800 State. He was a stationed at McCord. 97 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:05.200 What was then McCord Air Force Base is now 98 00:05:05.200 --> 00:05:08.300 joint Lewis based down in in Tacoma, but that's what led our 99 00:05:08.300 --> 00:05:11.700 family out to Washington. I moved here when I 100 00:05:11.700 --> 00:05:14.600 was eight and my family 101 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:17.900 because my father's career. They loved the Northwest. 102 00:05:17.900 --> 00:05:20.300 My sister was in 103 00:05:20.300 --> 00:05:23.300 high school had decided to go to undergraduate here 104 00:05:23.300 --> 00:05:26.500 in the state and said that my parents decided and to stay 105 00:05:26.500 --> 00:05:30.000 here. So that's what led our family to Washington. And 106 00:05:29.400 --> 00:05:32.300 what was it that led you into a career 107 00:05:32.300 --> 00:05:33.100 in law. 108 00:05:34.100 --> 00:05:39.100 Well, I will say that when I was younger my 109 00:05:37.100 --> 00:05:40.500 parents and others used 110 00:05:40.500 --> 00:05:43.200 to say I used to like to argue a lot. And so 111 00:05:43.200 --> 00:05:46.500 they thought well, I kept hearing 112 00:05:46.500 --> 00:05:49.200 this as I was growing up that you know, 113 00:05:49.200 --> 00:05:53.100 you need to use that argumentative skill set 114 00:05:52.100 --> 00:05:56.300 for something good. And so we suggest 115 00:05:55.300 --> 00:05:58.300 that you consider going into the law 116 00:05:58.300 --> 00:06:01.400 and quite honestly at the time I I didn't really 117 00:06:01.400 --> 00:06:04.100 have an appreciation for what it meant to be 118 00:06:04.100 --> 00:06:07.100 a lawyer. I did not have any lawyers in my family 119 00:06:07.100 --> 00:06:10.200 still don't to this day and I'm the one and only 120 00:06:10.200 --> 00:06:13.200 and but I watched TV 121 00:06:13.200 --> 00:06:16.900 and I watched and really dating myself but there 122 00:06:16.900 --> 00:06:20.700 is a TV show called La law. It's not really 123 00:06:19.700 --> 00:06:22.300 but it was 124 00:06:22.300 --> 00:06:26.400 very glamorous legal and 125 00:06:25.400 --> 00:06:28.300 television show and 126 00:06:28.300 --> 00:06:32.100 I thought okay if this is what being a lawyers about and I 127 00:06:31.100 --> 00:06:33.700 maybe I should sign up for it and 128 00:06:34.100 --> 00:06:37.000 So I always kind of had my sights on going to law school. I will 129 00:06:37.500 --> 00:06:40.800 admit that and I did not have as 130 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:43.800 I said a true appreciation for what it 131 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:47.400 meant to be a lawyer, but I had at 132 00:06:46.400 --> 00:06:50.700 least a recognition that the having 133 00:06:49.700 --> 00:06:52.600 a Juris doctorate 134 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:55.300 degree would open doors for me and allow me to do certain 135 00:06:55.300 --> 00:06:55.500 things. 136 00:06:56.700 --> 00:06:59.800 Excellent. Tell us about your career path 137 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.400 and how you got to be the general counsel at 138 00:07:02.400 --> 00:07:02.800 Starbucks. 139 00:07:03.900 --> 00:07:06.300 Well, I wish I could say that I 140 00:07:06.300 --> 00:07:09.600 saw this as my direct path. 141 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:12.900 In fact, my path has been everything, 142 00:07:12.900 --> 00:07:13.700 but Direct. 143 00:07:15.200 --> 00:07:19.200 So just a little bit about my background. I when I 144 00:07:18.200 --> 00:07:22.200 graduated from Central Washington University, I 145 00:07:21.200 --> 00:07:24.100 wasn't ready 146 00:07:24.100 --> 00:07:27.900 to go back to school yet, even though I said I wanted to get a 147 00:07:27.900 --> 00:07:31.200 law degree and so back then 148 00:07:30.200 --> 00:07:33.400 it was not popular whatsoever to have 149 00:07:33.400 --> 00:07:36.500 what is now called a gap year, but I 150 00:07:36.500 --> 00:07:39.000 decided that I needed a little time to just kind of 151 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.600 take a break from school and I was really fortunate to 152 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.100 Have a job. I got a job out 153 00:07:46.100 --> 00:07:49.300 of college at the University of Puget Sound down in Tacoma. 154 00:07:49.300 --> 00:07:52.700 And so my job was as an admissions counselor, 155 00:07:52.700 --> 00:07:56.800 and I thought that one that 156 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.700 job would give me an opportunity to stay 157 00:07:59.700 --> 00:08:02.300 in Academia. It also would give 158 00:08:02.300 --> 00:08:05.400 me an opportunity to work on my public 159 00:08:05.400 --> 00:08:08.600 speaking. And so it was a great 160 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:12.100 job. I love the job. I was 21 161 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:15.500 years old. I had responsibility to 162 00:08:15.500 --> 00:08:18.200 meet with high school students across and the United 163 00:08:18.200 --> 00:08:21.000 States and I traveled and it just gave 164 00:08:21.100 --> 00:08:24.200 me a great opportunity. And for those Gap years 165 00:08:24.200 --> 00:08:27.400 but a Time came when my parents were kind of looking at 166 00:08:27.400 --> 00:08:30.300 me saying okay, you know, you're getting too far 167 00:08:30.300 --> 00:08:33.800 down that path of not going back to school and quite honestly 168 00:08:33.800 --> 00:08:36.600 and I was ready thought at 169 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.400 least I was ready and decided to spend some time 170 00:08:39.400 --> 00:08:42.900 decided to take the Elsa and then start my 171 00:08:42.900 --> 00:08:43.200 journey. 172 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:45.300 Going off to law school. 173 00:08:46.300 --> 00:08:50.100 What I didn't anticipate after leaving my 174 00:08:49.100 --> 00:08:54.900 job in the security of my lifestyle 175 00:08:53.900 --> 00:08:56.400 here in Tacoma when 176 00:08:56.400 --> 00:08:57.700 I picked up and moved to Syracuse. 177 00:08:58.500 --> 00:09:01.100 Was that that first year was going to 178 00:09:01.100 --> 00:09:05.000 be challenging for me? And I actually 179 00:09:04.400 --> 00:09:07.900 didn't even have a real 180 00:09:07.900 --> 00:09:08.900 appreciation for 181 00:09:10.100 --> 00:09:13.200 how difficult it was for me until the end of the school 182 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.400 year when I took my exams and did 183 00:09:16.400 --> 00:09:20.400 not do well and ended up having to leave school 184 00:09:20.400 --> 00:09:23.600 and I took a leave of 185 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:26.900 absence and I went over to graduate school 186 00:09:26.900 --> 00:09:28.900 and worked on my 187 00:09:29.800 --> 00:09:32.600 Masters of higher education 188 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:36.000 and that was kind of a a soul searching 189 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:38.900 time for me where I thought I'm not 190 00:09:38.900 --> 00:09:41.600 quite sure about my career forward 191 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:44.300 as being a lawyer but I know that 192 00:09:44.300 --> 00:09:47.700 I want to do something I like working with people and 193 00:09:47.700 --> 00:09:50.600 I had a wonderful Mentor who 194 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:53.400 is a professor at my University who said you might 195 00:09:53.400 --> 00:09:56.300 want to consider since you worked in higher education going to 196 00:09:56.300 --> 00:10:00.400 the graduate school and I did that and then once 197 00:09:59.400 --> 00:10:02.800 I was in graduate school, I realized 198 00:10:02.800 --> 00:10:05.600 that I really did want to practice law 199 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:08.600 and so after finishing my graduate 200 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.100 program, I went back to 201 00:10:11.100 --> 00:10:15.500 law school made the very difficult decision 202 00:10:14.500 --> 00:10:17.300 at the time, but probably one of the best 203 00:10:17.300 --> 00:10:20.900 decisions I've ever made to start all over again and 204 00:10:20.900 --> 00:10:24.000 started all over again. And as you 205 00:10:23.300 --> 00:10:26.300 mentioned in my bio, I ended up 206 00:10:26.300 --> 00:10:29.000 graduating with honors, and it was really just a different. 207 00:10:29.800 --> 00:10:31.700 Time for me. I learned a lot about myself. 208 00:10:33.500 --> 00:10:37.100 and learned a lot about what's important from a 209 00:10:36.100 --> 00:10:40.400 value perspective and that then 210 00:10:40.400 --> 00:10:44.200 led me to come back out here and I 211 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.900 was fortunate to get the job at Garvey Schubert 212 00:10:46.900 --> 00:10:47.400 and 213 00:10:49.300 --> 00:10:52.800 Getting the job at Garvey Schubert. I was in my fourth year 214 00:10:52.800 --> 00:10:55.300 of practice and a mentor called 215 00:10:55.300 --> 00:10:59.400 me told me about the job very junior-level 216 00:10:58.400 --> 00:11:01.900 job at Starbucks and I 217 00:11:01.900 --> 00:11:04.600 was fortunate to get that position. So I 218 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:07.600 didn't have my site set on becoming a general 219 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.500 counsel just to be very honest. I learned early 220 00:11:10.500 --> 00:11:13.200 on I gave you that background because I learned early on 221 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.600 that and if you keep yourself 222 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:19.400 open to different possibilities and you 223 00:11:19.400 --> 00:11:23.200 open the door to different opportunities 224 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:23.600 and 225 00:11:24.700 --> 00:11:27.400 That lesson taught me that instead of saying. Oh 226 00:11:27.400 --> 00:11:31.700 I want to become this that I should be open to wherever 227 00:11:30.700 --> 00:11:33.200 I'm supposed to go on my journey. 228 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:36.500 And so that has led me to a 229 00:11:36.500 --> 00:11:39.100 number of different roles in my time at Starbucks. 230 00:11:39.100 --> 00:11:42.900 And when a are 231 00:11:42.900 --> 00:11:45.900 founders Howard Schultz came back in April, 232 00:11:45.900 --> 00:11:48.800 he decided to make some 233 00:11:48.800 --> 00:11:51.400 changes on our leadership team and he asked 234 00:11:51.400 --> 00:11:54.600 me to take on the role as general counsel. I 235 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.100 honestly did not see myself in this 236 00:11:57.100 --> 00:12:01.000 role. It was again. Just I 237 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:01.300 had a 238 00:12:02.400 --> 00:12:05.400 I had learned that I could be open to different 239 00:12:05.400 --> 00:12:09.000 opportunities in different possibilities. And so but 240 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:11.400 when he asked me to take on the role I said yes, and 241 00:12:11.400 --> 00:12:14.600 it's been an interesting and dynamic time to 242 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:17.700 say the least. Yes. How is the 243 00:12:17.700 --> 00:12:20.100 work of being a general counsel for 244 00:12:20.100 --> 00:12:21.500 a fortune 150? 245 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.200 Corporation different and I would 246 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:29.300 imagine that it's very different from being a lawyer 247 00:12:28.300 --> 00:12:31.400 in a big private Law Firm you talk 248 00:12:31.400 --> 00:12:34.600 about that. This is a question that I often get from certainly certainly 249 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:37.400 so so there are some similarities but there 250 00:12:37.400 --> 00:12:39.000 are a lot of differences. 251 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:44.400 When I was in private practice, I had a small 252 00:12:44.400 --> 00:12:47.800 number of matters that I handled. I 253 00:12:47.800 --> 00:12:49.500 had clients that I 254 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:54.500 supported and that I worked for and it 255 00:12:54.500 --> 00:12:57.600 was in a very narrow area of 256 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:00.700 the law. I came up through sort 257 00:13:00.700 --> 00:13:03.800 of the ranks of doing litigation and 258 00:13:03.800 --> 00:13:07.400 employment law and so I had just a 259 00:13:06.400 --> 00:13:09.700 number of clients about a dozen 260 00:13:09.700 --> 00:13:13.100 or so a number of cases. I should say at any 261 00:13:12.100 --> 00:13:15.800 given time and we handled 262 00:13:15.800 --> 00:13:18.400 this cases pretty much from kind of start to 263 00:13:18.400 --> 00:13:21.200 finish and we were our you know, 264 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:24.300 we were the trusted advisor to 265 00:13:24.300 --> 00:13:27.300 the clients that we had. And again just a number 266 00:13:27.300 --> 00:13:27.600 of clients. 267 00:13:28.400 --> 00:13:31.400 Going in health and being a corporate lawyer. 268 00:13:32.300 --> 00:13:35.600 You have one client and that client is the company 269 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:38.600 that you work for and but you handle 270 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:42.200 a wide array of 271 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:45.700 matters and you have a 272 00:13:45.700 --> 00:13:49.100 great opportunity to have 273 00:13:48.100 --> 00:13:51.600 exposure to how the a 274 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:54.400 business works and the inner workings of a business 275 00:13:54.400 --> 00:13:58.300 and there's not I found a typical 276 00:13:58.300 --> 00:14:01.300 day. There are so many different 277 00:14:01.300 --> 00:14:04.600 things that you may find yourself responding to 278 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:07.400 and simply because those are the issues that 279 00:14:07.400 --> 00:14:10.900 the company is facing and you spend 280 00:14:10.900 --> 00:14:13.100 more time understanding how the 281 00:14:13.100 --> 00:14:16.500 business works and rendering legal advice is 282 00:14:16.500 --> 00:14:19.400 part of that versus my experience 283 00:14:19.400 --> 00:14:22.700 again, as I was in private practice as a litigator actually 284 00:14:22.700 --> 00:14:26.600 going to court and spending time arguing motions 285 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:28.200 and writing briefs and so 286 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:30.800 on and so it is a different. 287 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:35.600 Of practicing I have to say in-house life 288 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.700 is not for everyone and but it's 289 00:14:39.700 --> 00:14:42.700 something based on my background my experience 290 00:14:42.700 --> 00:14:45.700 working in higher education and I 291 00:14:45.700 --> 00:14:48.800 have found that it is a better fit for me personally. It 292 00:14:48.800 --> 00:14:52.000 aligns with my values of and 293 00:14:51.500 --> 00:14:55.200 being focused on conflict resolution. 294 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:57.700 It's interestingly as a litigator. I 295 00:14:57.700 --> 00:15:01.100 spent a lot of time kind of arguing and and but 296 00:15:00.100 --> 00:15:03.400 in my in my core, I'm really 297 00:15:03.400 --> 00:15:06.400 about sort of conflict resolution and fun 298 00:15:06.400 --> 00:15:09.400 finding Solutions and to problems and 299 00:15:09.400 --> 00:15:12.700 I found that in-house life has provided me 300 00:15:12.700 --> 00:15:14.300 a greater opportunity to do that. 301 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:23.000 Oh goodness, and well, so I want 302 00:15:23.300 --> 00:15:25.700 to kind of first say that. 303 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:31.300 Working as a general counsel is different based on 304 00:15:31.300 --> 00:15:34.300 the type of company that you're working 305 00:15:34.300 --> 00:15:37.100 for. You may be a general counsel and you may be the 306 00:15:37.100 --> 00:15:40.500 only lawyer and so you were going to have a 307 00:15:40.500 --> 00:15:43.300 wide array of matters that 308 00:15:43.300 --> 00:15:46.800 you're going to handle. I actually had an opportunity when 309 00:15:46.800 --> 00:15:50.400 we acquired one of our we acquired 310 00:15:49.400 --> 00:15:52.300 our tea business and I 311 00:15:52.300 --> 00:15:55.300 actually kind of served in that role for that business where I had to 312 00:15:55.300 --> 00:15:58.300 handle a number of different matters every day. 313 00:15:58.300 --> 00:16:01.500 And when you are a general 314 00:16:01.500 --> 00:16:04.500 counsel at a large corporation, it's almost like 315 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:07.200 having a small and to mid-sized Law 316 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:10.800 Firm where you have a number of different disciplines and 317 00:16:10.800 --> 00:16:14.400 subject matter experts within the organization. 318 00:16:13.400 --> 00:16:16.800 So for example, we have a real estate 319 00:16:16.800 --> 00:16:19.400 team. We have a litigation team. 320 00:16:19.400 --> 00:16:22.500 We have an intellectual property team and we have leaders who lead 321 00:16:22.500 --> 00:16:25.300 those teams and they all then report up 322 00:16:25.300 --> 00:16:27.200 to me and as the 323 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.400 general counsel, my role is really to 324 00:16:30.400 --> 00:16:33.600 manage the legal department and 325 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:36.600 our law incorporate Affairs department, but then 326 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:40.100 also serve as a trusted advisor 327 00:16:39.100 --> 00:16:42.900 to Business Leaders to help 328 00:16:42.900 --> 00:16:45.600 them make decisions as as 329 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:49.600 they are conducting business for the company. Excellent. 330 00:16:50.700 --> 00:16:53.600 You're very involved Sabrina and mentoring 331 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:56.100 and pipelining and other philanthropic and 332 00:16:56.100 --> 00:16:59.400 community service Endeavors. We are both for 333 00:16:59.400 --> 00:17:03.100 example as I mentioned earlier part of the Washington leadership institutes, 334 00:17:02.100 --> 00:17:04.100 Advisory Board. 335 00:17:05.600 --> 00:17:07.900 Why and how is that work important to you? 336 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.600 Well, I spoke earlier about the importance of 337 00:17:12.600 --> 00:17:15.600 my values. It's something 338 00:17:15.600 --> 00:17:18.100 that I will say I think is has been 339 00:17:18.100 --> 00:17:22.400 that's actually kind of part of my DNA and 340 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:24.500 I grew up in a family 341 00:17:24.500 --> 00:17:27.800 and a culture where you give to 342 00:17:27.800 --> 00:17:31.500 others where you pay it 343 00:17:31.500 --> 00:17:34.700 forward where and it's and 344 00:17:34.700 --> 00:17:39.500 I've been the beneficiary of having incredible mentors 345 00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:40.900 and sponsors. And 346 00:17:40.900 --> 00:17:44.500 so I find something incredibly satisfying 347 00:17:43.500 --> 00:17:46.600 and gratifying to give back 348 00:17:46.600 --> 00:17:49.300 and that's part of the reason why I've been 349 00:17:49.300 --> 00:17:52.700 giving it my time and and involved in 350 00:17:52.700 --> 00:17:55.800 organizations like the Washington Leadership Institute, 351 00:17:55.800 --> 00:17:58.600 and it's interesting to just have 352 00:17:58.600 --> 00:18:01.300 that opportunity in perhaps it also ties 353 00:18:01.300 --> 00:18:04.200 back to my days of being an admissions counselor and 354 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:07.000 working with with high school students, but 355 00:18:07.900 --> 00:18:10.600 I enjoy the opportunity to 356 00:18:10.600 --> 00:18:13.700 actually spend time with someone and to help 357 00:18:13.700 --> 00:18:17.200 them as they are on their Journey as well. Yeah good. 358 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:20.000 So one of our students jayleen Vasquez 359 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:22.700 Leon who actually planned diversity week with 360 00:18:22.700 --> 00:18:26.800 her SBA colleagues sent in 361 00:18:26.800 --> 00:18:29.200 this question, which is similar to something that I was going to ask you 362 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:32.400 in what ways do you promote diversity in the 363 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:35.700 workplace? And I I believe Jaylene is 364 00:18:35.700 --> 00:18:38.700 is asking this question given that there's such 365 00:18:38.700 --> 00:18:41.600 a paucity of women of color in general 366 00:18:41.600 --> 00:18:45.100 counsel roles and particularly black women in 367 00:18:44.100 --> 00:18:48.000 general counsel roles and in managing partner 368 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:51.100 roles, and and so she asked 369 00:18:50.100 --> 00:18:53.400 that question in what way do you 370 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:56.300 think your diverse background has and continues to 371 00:18:56.300 --> 00:18:59.300 Aid you in your legal career? And I 372 00:18:59.300 --> 00:19:02.300 would add to that part of the question that I was going to ask you which is 373 00:19:02.300 --> 00:19:05.400 what can we do about this paucity of 374 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:09.800 of diversity and representation of people 375 00:19:09.800 --> 00:19:12.400 of color at the very highest ranks. Yeah, 376 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.500 so I'll take the first question and 377 00:19:15.500 --> 00:19:18.600 then forgive me if I don't remember the second one, but I'll 378 00:19:18.600 --> 00:19:21.500 try my best to try to to answer both. 379 00:19:21.500 --> 00:19:24.100 I might need some help. Yes. It's been a long day and 380 00:19:25.300 --> 00:19:27.700 to answer her question, you know it is 381 00:19:29.300 --> 00:19:32.600 Diversity is is something that is critically important. 382 00:19:32.600 --> 00:19:36.100 I actually think it's a business imperative. It 383 00:19:35.100 --> 00:19:38.400 is so important 384 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:39.200 to have 385 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:43.400 diverse thought diverse leadership 386 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:47.400 and and it's not simply about 387 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:50.100 just race. I think 388 00:19:49.100 --> 00:19:52.600 that the best decisions are made when 389 00:19:52.600 --> 00:19:55.100 you have different and 390 00:19:56.500 --> 00:19:59.300 thought leaders thinking through an issue. And so 391 00:19:59.300 --> 00:20:00.800 how does that show up for me? 392 00:20:02.300 --> 00:20:05.800 In the work that I do and how do I try to advance it and particularly 393 00:20:05.800 --> 00:20:08.200 at the company and in the 394 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.200 community? Well, I'm I think it's 395 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:13.200 in one thing is I model it. 396 00:20:14.500 --> 00:20:17.700 I model it and I express and to 397 00:20:17.700 --> 00:20:20.200 my team and others the importance of it 398 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:24.100 and and it takes some intentionality. It 399 00:20:24.100 --> 00:20:27.700 takes thinking about the 400 00:20:27.700 --> 00:20:31.300 value that comes with having a diversity 401 00:20:30.300 --> 00:20:33.400 and then role modeling 402 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:36.600 that in your decision making and so how that 403 00:20:36.600 --> 00:20:39.600 shows up in my role as the 404 00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:42.300 general counsel. It's making sure that when 405 00:20:42.300 --> 00:20:45.600 we are considering outside counsel and 406 00:20:45.600 --> 00:20:49.000 and people who are working on our matters 407 00:20:48.600 --> 00:20:52.200 that they reflect the diversity of 408 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:55.400 the community in which we serve and not 409 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:57.700 necessarily staying with 410 00:20:58.800 --> 00:21:02.100 Either counsel that we've had because it's a 411 00:21:01.100 --> 00:21:04.000 longstanding relationship because some of 412 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:07.500 those relationships quite frankly were built when there 413 00:21:07.500 --> 00:21:10.500 wasn't a focus on diversity. And so 414 00:21:10.500 --> 00:21:14.000 and I think that there are tremendous opportunities 415 00:21:13.700 --> 00:21:17.100 when you are in a position of influence 416 00:21:16.100 --> 00:21:19.400 to be able to walk that 417 00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:23.100 talk and to actually make some changes in 418 00:21:22.100 --> 00:21:26.200 the profession. So we also 419 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.500 have I was very fortunate I this 420 00:21:28.500 --> 00:21:31.200 is a journey that as a company and as 421 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:34.500 a legal department we have been on for a very long time when I 422 00:21:34.500 --> 00:21:37.300 join the company back and almost 18 years 423 00:21:37.300 --> 00:21:40.800 ago. We already had a diversity committee 424 00:21:40.800 --> 00:21:43.600 within our legal department. We all we 425 00:21:43.600 --> 00:21:47.100 already were keeping diversity 426 00:21:46.100 --> 00:21:50.000 top of mind and I was fortunate and 427 00:21:49.700 --> 00:21:52.300 and you mentioned the 428 00:21:52.300 --> 00:21:55.900 statistics of African American or black 429 00:21:55.900 --> 00:21:58.500 general counsel and women I 430 00:21:58.800 --> 00:22:01.400 Actually hired by one and so at Starbucks 431 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:04.800 and so I'm not the first and I will 432 00:22:04.800 --> 00:22:07.400 tell you though that that was having her in 433 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.700 that role was very influential for 434 00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:14.200 me in making my decision because I knew that 435 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:17.300 somebody and Who had who could 436 00:22:17.300 --> 00:22:20.200 identify with me was in that that role and 437 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:23.400 that was very important to me and then we've subsequently had 438 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:26.700 interestingly. We've only had women at Starbucks 439 00:22:26.700 --> 00:22:29.900 serving in that role and so it 440 00:22:29.900 --> 00:22:32.800 is something where the company and the 441 00:22:32.800 --> 00:22:35.500 department has long had a focus 442 00:22:35.500 --> 00:22:38.000 in emphasis on diversity. 443 00:22:41.100 --> 00:22:45.200 You'll have to remind me Tony of your second question. What what 444 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:47.200 can we do to build more diversity in 445 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:50.000 these various positions? Well, I think it's I think 446 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:51.500 it's it is and 447 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:55.700 Diversity and it's something 448 00:22:55.700 --> 00:22:59.100 that can't be just carried by people who 449 00:22:58.100 --> 00:23:01.400 are diverse. It is very important to 450 00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:05.200 have allies who also see the value in diversity as 451 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:07.200 well. And then you know, as I mentioned 452 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:11.100 earlier making sure that there is some intentionality 453 00:23:10.100 --> 00:23:13.100 around it. It's very easy to kind of 454 00:23:13.100 --> 00:23:16.500 follow sort of the pattern or the practice that has 455 00:23:16.500 --> 00:23:20.300 been upheld in the past without keeping 456 00:23:19.300 --> 00:23:22.300 top of 457 00:23:22.300 --> 00:23:26.900 mind the value that you get from having diversity 458 00:23:25.900 --> 00:23:28.200 in the in the profession. And 459 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:31.100 and in the way that you do business one of 460 00:23:31.100 --> 00:23:34.300 the questions that I kept getting throughout this entire week 461 00:23:34.300 --> 00:23:37.200 from students when I would ask them what it is that I should ask you 462 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.600 is if there's a 463 00:23:40.600 --> 00:23:43.300 student here at Seattle you law who wants one 464 00:23:43.300 --> 00:23:46.600 day to follow in your footsteps going into a major Law Firm 465 00:23:46.600 --> 00:23:49.200 going in the house going into corporate practice. 466 00:23:50.100 --> 00:23:53.600 What should they be doing right now as a 467 00:23:53.600 --> 00:23:56.700 law student what what thing? What courses 468 00:23:56.700 --> 00:23:59.800 should be taking what extracurricular activity 469 00:23:59.800 --> 00:24:03.900 should they be undertaking what networking activity 470 00:24:02.900 --> 00:24:05.600 should they be doing any other 471 00:24:05.600 --> 00:24:08.500 advice that you might have? Yeah, so I would 472 00:24:08.500 --> 00:24:11.700 start by saying it's so important to 473 00:24:11.700 --> 00:24:14.300 study and an area 474 00:24:14.300 --> 00:24:17.900 that that you enjoy to the 475 00:24:17.900 --> 00:24:21.200 extent you can it's the law school but to study 476 00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:23.600 an area that you enjoy because this is 477 00:24:23.600 --> 00:24:27.600 for me. This is a opportunity to 478 00:24:27.600 --> 00:24:30.800 do something where that you were passionate about and 479 00:24:30.800 --> 00:24:33.500 if you aren't then it will make things very 480 00:24:33.500 --> 00:24:35.900 difficult for you as you practice I have 481 00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:40.700 Several friends so they went to school with who went 482 00:24:40.700 --> 00:24:43.500 to law school because you know their family 483 00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:46.600 member went it was an expectation of them. They when 484 00:24:46.600 --> 00:24:49.400 they got into law school, they hated they hated law school. 485 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:52.600 They still graduated they went to practice and they 486 00:24:52.600 --> 00:24:55.900 burned out quickly. So it's something where you 487 00:24:55.900 --> 00:24:58.700 have to find your passion within the 488 00:24:58.700 --> 00:25:01.300 legal profession within law school 489 00:25:01.300 --> 00:25:02.800 whether that is 490 00:25:04.100 --> 00:25:07.600 And whether that's getting involved in 491 00:25:07.600 --> 00:25:11.100 getting involved 492 00:25:10.100 --> 00:25:13.100 in moot Court, I mean 493 00:25:13.100 --> 00:25:17.500 I was in moot court again. I did not see myself going for 494 00:25:17.500 --> 00:25:20.300 moot court. But when I look back and real think about well 495 00:25:20.300 --> 00:25:23.000 gosh, I worked as an admissions counselor. And I did 496 00:25:23.100 --> 00:25:26.300 a lot of public speaking. Of course. I might we Court might 497 00:25:26.300 --> 00:25:29.600 be a good thing for me or if you have a passion for writing and 498 00:25:29.600 --> 00:25:32.200 you know get involved in law review 499 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:35.900 or some sort of journals or but you 500 00:25:35.900 --> 00:25:38.300 do need to find sort of your area that 501 00:25:38.300 --> 00:25:41.300 you really are interested in criminal law. What whatever. 502 00:25:42.800 --> 00:25:45.800 and then spend time thinking about 503 00:25:49.800 --> 00:25:52.800 might have walked in those shoes or 504 00:25:52.800 --> 00:25:55.300 are connected to the direction that you want 505 00:25:55.300 --> 00:25:58.300 to go. So as I mentioned I did 506 00:25:58.300 --> 00:26:01.700 not have I did not have lawyers in 507 00:26:01.700 --> 00:26:04.700 my family and still do not but I was fortunate 508 00:26:04.700 --> 00:26:07.800 to have a father who said 509 00:26:08.700 --> 00:26:11.400 okay, we don't have this for you, but 510 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.400 you can connect with others to get to 511 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.700 build your network and they can talk to 512 00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:20.400 you and Mentor you and teach you more 513 00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.500 about what it actually means to practice law versus 514 00:26:23.500 --> 00:26:27.000 going to law school. And so I mean 515 00:26:26.600 --> 00:26:30.800 networking is a critical component of 516 00:26:30.800 --> 00:26:32.300 quite honestly. 517 00:26:33.800 --> 00:26:36.700 Anything that you want to do from a profession 518 00:26:36.700 --> 00:26:40.400 perspective, I do not recommend trying 519 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:44.100 to go at something on your own. If you have not either 520 00:26:43.100 --> 00:26:46.200 spoken with someone or had an 521 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:49.300 opportunity to learn from someone in the journey that 522 00:26:49.300 --> 00:26:52.900 they have been on but I would say it's really about about 523 00:26:52.900 --> 00:26:55.900 passion looking surrounding yourself 524 00:26:55.900 --> 00:26:58.400 with people who are doing the things that you want 525 00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:01.800 to do and learning from them. It is just quite 526 00:27:01.800 --> 00:27:04.500 honestly and my father used to 527 00:27:04.500 --> 00:27:07.200 say all the time and this is kind of his 528 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.400 analogy for sort of mentoring was you know, 529 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:13.400 if I've walked through, you know, if I worked hard 530 00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:16.400 to knock down the door walk behind 531 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:19.100 me don't go to you know to the next door and try 532 00:27:19.100 --> 00:27:22.500 to knock it down yourself. And so I remind myself of 533 00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:25.200 that often because if I'm trying to learn 534 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.300 Something and and this was part of my journey as I became 535 00:27:29.300 --> 00:27:32.300 a lawyer. I went and talked to people who were 536 00:27:32.300 --> 00:27:35.700 doing the things that I wanted to do and they you'd be 537 00:27:35.700 --> 00:27:38.300 surprised at how willing people are to just 538 00:27:38.300 --> 00:27:41.300 talk to you about their journey and to offer 539 00:27:41.300 --> 00:27:44.900 help if you need some advice Sarah would 540 00:27:44.900 --> 00:27:47.200 a student asked two very good questions 541 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.800 that relate back to what we were just 542 00:27:50.800 --> 00:27:52.700 discussing. Let me open up my questions here. 543 00:27:54.300 --> 00:27:57.200 She asked what what is your approach to 544 00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:00.300 providing business advice when it exceeds? 545 00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:04.200 The bounds of legal advice and then she had a different 546 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:08.400 question about why it is that GC 547 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:10.200 seemed to be recovering litigators. 548 00:28:12.300 --> 00:28:15.000 there I do think so, but I'm a little biased and 549 00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:16.000 so 550 00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:19.200 one I would say your 551 00:28:20.500 --> 00:28:24.100 your opportunity quite honestly and 552 00:28:25.300 --> 00:28:28.700 is to serve in that role as a trusted 553 00:28:28.700 --> 00:28:31.700 business advisor and not just a 554 00:28:31.700 --> 00:28:35.300 lawyer and I and I say not just because it's 555 00:28:34.300 --> 00:28:37.500 very easy to kind of give the 556 00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:41.000 black and white legal advice and say okay, you 557 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.100 know, here's the issue. Here's you know, 558 00:28:43.100 --> 00:28:46.400 here's the advice. It's another thing to go a step 559 00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:49.500 further and understand how that advice is 560 00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:52.700 going to play out in the business. And so are you 561 00:28:52.700 --> 00:28:56.400 being more of a a trusted 562 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:59.300 advisor a solution finder versus 563 00:28:58.300 --> 00:29:01.500 just identifying sort of the black 564 00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:04.700 and white this is the issue and here's the risk and 565 00:29:04.700 --> 00:29:04.900 so 566 00:29:06.300 --> 00:29:09.200 I think that and that's actually honestly one of the things that I 567 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:12.500 love about being in-house and 568 00:29:12.500 --> 00:29:15.100 working with just one client. I can sit there 569 00:29:15.100 --> 00:29:18.400 in meetings and think through 570 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.300 issues with them and and look at 571 00:29:21.300 --> 00:29:24.300 things from a different perspective and say oh, you know, 572 00:29:24.300 --> 00:29:27.700 this is an illegal issue, but you may want to consider this 573 00:29:27.700 --> 00:29:29.300 instead and 574 00:29:30.300 --> 00:29:33.900 So I actually think it is a good thing to move Beyond kind of 575 00:29:33.900 --> 00:29:36.300 giving that legal advice and being that 576 00:29:36.300 --> 00:29:39.500 trusted advisor because you want to have that seat at 577 00:29:39.500 --> 00:29:42.300 the table. You want that client to call you to say. Hey, I'm 578 00:29:42.300 --> 00:29:45.600 trying to think through this issue not necessarily legal issue, 579 00:29:45.600 --> 00:29:48.800 but they respect your opinion and your thought 580 00:29:48.800 --> 00:29:52.100 leadership enough to bring you into the conversation and 581 00:29:51.100 --> 00:29:55.500 then to the second question about litigators. I 582 00:29:55.500 --> 00:29:58.300 think, you know again, I'm a little biased but 583 00:29:58.300 --> 00:30:01.800 we tend to be very agile and we have 584 00:30:03.700 --> 00:30:06.100 we are thrown it's not like a 585 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.200 A specialty and a specific subject matter 586 00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.500 area where you can go deep 587 00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:17.000 on something you were constantly being at hit 588 00:30:16.100 --> 00:30:19.200 with different types of issues and you are 589 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:22.600 you were called upon to think critically and to 590 00:30:22.600 --> 00:30:25.500 render your advice based on the facts that 591 00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:28.500 you were given and so I think that is why 592 00:30:28.500 --> 00:30:31.900 there are some there's probably more litigators. I 593 00:30:31.900 --> 00:30:34.300 know that you you had the last session I 594 00:30:34.300 --> 00:30:37.500 believe with David sapolski and one session ago. Yeah David. 595 00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:40.600 Yeah, so David is a litigator and by training as 596 00:30:40.600 --> 00:30:44.800 well and there's just something about being 597 00:30:43.800 --> 00:30:46.400 able to kind of see an 598 00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:49.400 issue and and to either 599 00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:52.900 have the confidence to kind of rely upon on 600 00:30:52.900 --> 00:30:55.700 your your very diverse experience 601 00:30:55.700 --> 00:30:58.600 or at least having sort of the Comfort level 602 00:30:58.600 --> 00:31:01.100 to say, I don't know this but let me bring in the 603 00:31:01.100 --> 00:31:04.900 expert and to kind of go deeper into a particular 604 00:31:04.900 --> 00:31:06.400 issue or concern. 605 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:10.600 So interesting Jenna Matthews one of my colleagues here 606 00:31:10.600 --> 00:31:14.000 Jenna are you in the room? There? She is. She just sent 607 00:31:13.100 --> 00:31:17.500 a little while ago a really important question particularly 608 00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:20.000 since we're in the middle of diversity 609 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.700 week, and she asks this 610 00:31:22.700 --> 00:31:25.300 question any words of 611 00:31:25.300 --> 00:31:27.700 wisdom for current students of color. 612 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:32.000 Related to building confidence throughout law 613 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.300 school when regularly interacting with 614 00:31:34.300 --> 00:31:37.600 those who feel empowered to promote 615 00:31:37.600 --> 00:31:41.100 and support anti-black antipersons of 616 00:31:41.100 --> 00:31:41.900 color energy. 617 00:31:42.900 --> 00:31:45.600 That's a heavy one. That is 618 00:31:45.600 --> 00:31:48.200 it but it's an important question. That is a very important 619 00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.100 question. You know, I am. 620 00:31:52.900 --> 00:31:56.900 That is that is a tough one because I I work really 621 00:31:56.900 --> 00:31:59.600 hard to surround myself with 622 00:31:59.600 --> 00:32:03.700 people who are supportive and 623 00:32:03.700 --> 00:32:07.000 uplifting and are not trying to advance. 624 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.100 Yeah. 625 00:32:10.300 --> 00:32:13.800 Negative rhetoric. It's just I 626 00:32:13.800 --> 00:32:16.900 don't have very much patience or tolerance 627 00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:19.400 of it. And sometimes it's 628 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.800 meant me kind of being on my own and having 629 00:32:22.800 --> 00:32:25.700 sort of the confidence to say 630 00:32:25.700 --> 00:32:28.800 that it's okay for me to be on my 631 00:32:28.800 --> 00:32:30.500 own but I would suggest that. 632 00:32:33.100 --> 00:32:36.800 for the students who were who were who were struggling with 633 00:32:36.800 --> 00:32:40.100 with that negativity and 634 00:32:39.100 --> 00:32:42.500 to look to other resources for 635 00:32:42.500 --> 00:32:44.000 support and 636 00:32:44.900 --> 00:32:47.100 You know as part of as I shared 637 00:32:47.100 --> 00:32:51.200 my journey earlier and when I left a 638 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.200 law school. 639 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.500 I found myself feeling very 640 00:32:56.500 --> 00:32:58.200 isolated and alone. 641 00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:03.500 And I think part of the reason why graduate 642 00:33:02.500 --> 00:33:05.400 school worked so well for me is because 643 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.400 it was a much more collaborative environment. And 644 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.000 that's where I started to feel kind of 645 00:33:11.800 --> 00:33:14.800 regain my confidence and I needed that because 646 00:33:14.800 --> 00:33:17.400 when I went back to law school and I 647 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:21.300 was a very different person and I was able to put 648 00:33:20.300 --> 00:33:23.800 those people who weren't positive 649 00:33:23.800 --> 00:33:26.300 and that were negative and I just 650 00:33:26.300 --> 00:33:29.100 didn't have any I just didn't do it have anything to do with 651 00:33:29.100 --> 00:33:32.600 them. And so I would say for any any law 652 00:33:32.600 --> 00:33:35.800 students who were experiencing that sense of 653 00:33:35.800 --> 00:33:37.500 negativity and 654 00:33:39.600 --> 00:33:42.300 Isolation don't feed into that 655 00:33:42.300 --> 00:33:45.500 go find your connection someplace else. 656 00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:49.600 There are particularly for for law 657 00:33:48.600 --> 00:33:52.500 students of color. There are bar associations 658 00:33:51.500 --> 00:33:55.000 here in the Seattle area. 659 00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:57.300 And I was really fortunate when I 660 00:33:57.300 --> 00:34:00.200 moved here after graduating from 661 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:05.200 the other SEO and I connected 662 00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.300 with the Lauren Miller Bar Association, which 663 00:34:07.300 --> 00:34:11.100 is the local black chapter 664 00:34:10.100 --> 00:34:14.000 of the national Bar Association, and 665 00:34:13.300 --> 00:34:16.800 I needed that that community 666 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:17.400 and 667 00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.400 And not to say that that I didn't feel that 668 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.200 when I was in at my 669 00:34:24.200 --> 00:34:28.300 firm, but there was just something different about surrounding myself 670 00:34:28.300 --> 00:34:31.400 with people who understood and were supportive 671 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:34.600 and so and for me it was the Laura Miller 672 00:34:34.600 --> 00:34:38.100 Bar Association, I would say, you know if you are whatever. 673 00:34:39.600 --> 00:34:42.500 Organization people that you can connect yourself with 674 00:34:42.500 --> 00:34:46.000 who are positive and uplifting. That's 675 00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:48.800 what you need to do. Good. Good question. 676 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.100 Thank you for your questions everybody. I'm getting a lot 677 00:34:51.100 --> 00:34:54.100 of questions that I'm trying to group them. And I I promise you 678 00:34:54.100 --> 00:34:58.000 that we will ask all the questions grouped up by the 679 00:34:57.200 --> 00:35:01.400 end of the interview. Another question 680 00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:05.200 that's been asked a couple of times that I see very interestingly 681 00:35:04.200 --> 00:35:07.500 is what would you do if 682 00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:09.300 you were not a lawyer? 683 00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.500 What would I do if I would not be doing if you 684 00:35:14.500 --> 00:35:17.300 I thought that was an interesting question. Well, what would you be doing if you 685 00:35:17.300 --> 00:35:20.500 were not practicing a law if I was not practicing and 686 00:35:20.500 --> 00:35:21.500 I actually have thought. 687 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:25.200 If there is a day where I wake up and I'm like 688 00:35:25.200 --> 00:35:28.200 I'm done not doing this anymore. I would go 689 00:35:28.200 --> 00:35:31.300 back into higher education. Oh, I would get absolutely go 690 00:35:31.300 --> 00:35:35.400 back to higher education. I love just 691 00:35:36.500 --> 00:35:40.200 Being in that environment working with students learning 692 00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:43.400 from them teaching them. So 693 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.100 that's what I would do if I 694 00:35:45.100 --> 00:35:49.000 was not practicing law that's so that's very interesting. Another 695 00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:52.200 question that I have received several times during 696 00:35:51.200 --> 00:35:54.500 the last week that actually goes 697 00:35:54.500 --> 00:35:57.300 back to Janice question too and is a 698 00:35:57.300 --> 00:36:00.900 is a sort of follow-up to it is many 699 00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:04.300 of our students of color are lgbtq students 700 00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:06.700 are minoritized students. 701 00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:10.700 Just don't feel at home in the 702 00:36:10.700 --> 00:36:13.400 law. Yeah, right and I I completely 703 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.500 relate to this as a first year when I was a first 704 00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:19.300 generation Hispanic Immigrant Law student. 705 00:36:19.300 --> 00:36:23.100 I felt like a total alien in legal ad 706 00:36:23.100 --> 00:36:26.500 and at law school and so I 707 00:36:26.500 --> 00:36:28.100 wondered if you could spend some time. 708 00:36:29.100 --> 00:36:32.700 Talking about how you overcame those. I 709 00:36:32.700 --> 00:36:35.300 mean you definitely overcome them because you 710 00:36:35.300 --> 00:36:39.000 did so well not just now but also academically 711 00:36:38.300 --> 00:36:42.100 once you figure things out, but but 712 00:36:41.100 --> 00:36:44.500 how do you develop that sense of 713 00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:47.900 belonging? And how 714 00:36:47.900 --> 00:36:50.600 do you how do you develop and understanding 715 00:36:50.600 --> 00:36:53.300 that you actually not only deserve to 716 00:36:53.300 --> 00:36:56.500 be here? But what I've been telling our students is that we need them 717 00:36:56.500 --> 00:36:59.400 our students of color and women students. We need 718 00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.400 them to be here. Well, I think it goes 719 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.600 back to what I said earlier about surrounding yourself 720 00:37:05.600 --> 00:37:09.700 with people who are supportive. It's 721 00:37:09.700 --> 00:37:12.200 it's you know, I obviously 722 00:37:13.900 --> 00:37:16.300 Have been as I described. I've been on 723 00:37:16.300 --> 00:37:19.900 a journey. There are times where quite honestly 724 00:37:19.900 --> 00:37:20.600 my 725 00:37:22.200 --> 00:37:25.800 a self-confidence was at an incredibly 726 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.700 low level and it 727 00:37:28.700 --> 00:37:32.200 took having others and seeing sort 728 00:37:31.200 --> 00:37:34.800 of my potential and the 729 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.100 good in me to remind me of you know, 730 00:37:37.100 --> 00:37:39.700 the person that I am and so 731 00:37:41.200 --> 00:37:41.500 I I 732 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.200 Am an optimist by Nature I will say 733 00:37:45.200 --> 00:37:49.100 and I think and even when you are when you 734 00:37:48.100 --> 00:37:51.300 feel that you were in isolation or 735 00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:55.500 that you were alone. I think if you you can 736 00:37:55.500 --> 00:37:58.700 find someone or something to connect 737 00:37:58.700 --> 00:38:01.100 with that can help you 738 00:38:01.100 --> 00:38:05.200 navigate and those feelings and so for 739 00:38:04.200 --> 00:38:07.400 me it was when I was in 740 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.700 law school the second time and I came back. I made 741 00:38:10.700 --> 00:38:13.400 sure that and I did 742 00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:15.800 more to connect with people who 743 00:38:16.900 --> 00:38:20.100 Were non-traditional students because there 744 00:38:19.100 --> 00:38:22.100 was some connection I think. 745 00:38:23.500 --> 00:38:26.200 finding a commonality and and 746 00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:30.200 Having empathy and then being 747 00:38:30.200 --> 00:38:33.400 able to recognize empathy in 748 00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:36.700 someone else is also helpful in 749 00:38:36.700 --> 00:38:42.000 trying to kind of find that that welcoming feeling 750 00:38:40.300 --> 00:38:43.500 that you that you're 751 00:38:43.500 --> 00:38:47.300 searching for. So yeah good and 752 00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:50.400 then another question that has 753 00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:53.800 been made to 754 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:56.400 be or passed along to me in various forms is how 755 00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:59.100 you and this is very similar to questions that we 756 00:38:59.100 --> 00:39:01.700 got for other general counsel that have come through. 757 00:39:04.200 --> 00:39:07.200 If you are working, pardon me, if you are 758 00:39:07.200 --> 00:39:10.000 working as it as a general counsel for a major 759 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:10.600 corporation. 760 00:39:11.700 --> 00:39:16.000 Are there ways that you could still are 761 00:39:14.300 --> 00:39:17.400 there ways that you could 762 00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:17.700 still. 763 00:39:19.200 --> 00:39:22.200 Be involved in a lot of pro bono work 764 00:39:22.200 --> 00:39:25.200 social justice work public interest work not just 765 00:39:25.200 --> 00:39:28.200 in your in your volunteer commitments of which you have very 766 00:39:28.200 --> 00:39:28.500 many. 767 00:39:30.100 --> 00:39:33.800 but as a lawyer, absolutely, absolutely and 768 00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:34.500 in fact 769 00:39:37.100 --> 00:39:40.600 As I mentioned, there's almost a sense of obligation to 770 00:39:40.600 --> 00:39:43.000 do that. And I think there's also 771 00:39:44.100 --> 00:39:45.000 the culture 772 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.000 So I'll take a step back one of 773 00:39:49.100 --> 00:39:52.700 the reasons aside from having an African American general counsel. 774 00:39:52.700 --> 00:39:55.400 When I was at hired 775 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:58.600 at Starbucks, one of the reasons why I joined 776 00:39:58.600 --> 00:40:00.700 the company was because 777 00:40:02.200 --> 00:40:05.900 I did not have the opportunity to 778 00:40:05.900 --> 00:40:08.200 give back in the way that 779 00:40:08.200 --> 00:40:11.200 I wanted to in a legal profession. When I was in 780 00:40:11.200 --> 00:40:14.900 private practice. A lot of that had to do with just quite honestly and just 781 00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:17.300 being very straightforward just the 782 00:40:17.300 --> 00:40:20.100 billable hour requirement that I was trying to 783 00:40:20.100 --> 00:40:23.200 meet and so one of the things that was attractive to 784 00:40:23.200 --> 00:40:26.900 me about going in health in particular going in-house Starbucks 785 00:40:26.900 --> 00:40:29.500 was that there was a pro bono committee 786 00:40:29.500 --> 00:40:32.500 and we were we were not only given 787 00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:35.400 opportunities to do pro bono work. 788 00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.500 There was a level of expectation around it as well. 789 00:40:38.500 --> 00:40:41.400 So we would back then and 790 00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:44.500 we actually kind of stopped this program as part when 791 00:40:44.500 --> 00:40:48.500 when the pandemic hit but we would host 792 00:40:48.500 --> 00:40:52.100 a Wills clinic on our campus and our 793 00:40:51.100 --> 00:40:54.100 office and once a 794 00:40:54.100 --> 00:40:55.400 year where we would 795 00:40:56.300 --> 00:41:00.200 Come together and voluntarily do 796 00:40:59.200 --> 00:41:03.400 wills for First Responders and 797 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:05.800 there were a number of other 798 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.500 pro bono. We work on Asylum cases. 799 00:41:08.500 --> 00:41:10.400 We work on number of things that 800 00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:16.500 that as part of our job afforded 801 00:41:14.500 --> 00:41:17.700 us the opportunity to 802 00:41:17.700 --> 00:41:20.200 do pro bono work and I would 803 00:41:20.200 --> 00:41:23.600 just say that if you are if that 804 00:41:23.600 --> 00:41:26.700 is something that is important to you, which I think 805 00:41:26.700 --> 00:41:29.300 it should be and then you should 806 00:41:29.300 --> 00:41:32.700 seek out places and to 807 00:41:32.700 --> 00:41:35.400 work that that's important to them as well and 808 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.400 that that will give for you the opportunity 809 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:41.400 to continue to give back to the to the 810 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.500 community to the legal Community. I think it is. 811 00:41:44.600 --> 00:41:47.500 It should be quite honestly, I'm 812 00:41:47.500 --> 00:41:50.400 probably going a step too far, but I do think 813 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:55.400 it should probably be part of our bar requirement 814 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:58.800 in terms of maintaining our 815 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.300 bar license. We have to take 816 00:42:01.300 --> 00:42:04.500 you know, we have to have so many ethics hours of 817 00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:08.000 CLE hours that we have to get in when we're reporting. They 818 00:42:07.100 --> 00:42:10.200 should all be a component from my perspective that 819 00:42:10.200 --> 00:42:13.200 you have to record also the time that you were giving back 820 00:42:13.200 --> 00:42:16.500 to the community and I just I can't say 821 00:42:16.500 --> 00:42:19.300 enough about how important I think that that is. 822 00:42:19.300 --> 00:42:22.900 Well you predicted my next question. This is from Marcia Levy 823 00:42:22.900 --> 00:42:25.400 one of our colleagues here 824 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:28.800 she writes since the ABA now 825 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.800 requires teaching professional identity 826 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:32.600 formation. 827 00:42:34.300 --> 00:42:37.900 How do you define professional identity and what 828 00:42:37.900 --> 00:42:40.200 were the steps that you took along the way 829 00:42:40.200 --> 00:42:43.600 to develop yours? What do you suggest for 830 00:42:43.600 --> 00:42:46.400 students in terms of academics and/or skills 831 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.600 opportunities like clinics externships Etc. In 832 00:42:49.600 --> 00:42:52.800 order for our students to build their professional 833 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.300 identity particularly if they're 834 00:42:55.300 --> 00:42:56.800 interested in corporate leadership. 835 00:42:57.700 --> 00:43:00.700 That is a great question and I will tell you I wasn't 836 00:43:00.700 --> 00:43:03.900 aware that the ABA was required but I 837 00:43:03.900 --> 00:43:06.100 think that's great. I think it is. I mean 838 00:43:06.100 --> 00:43:07.600 quite honestly and 839 00:43:08.600 --> 00:43:10.200 this is not just 840 00:43:11.300 --> 00:43:14.500 Unique to the legal profession. You 841 00:43:14.500 --> 00:43:17.800 do have a brand you have a brand 842 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:20.900 and it's important 843 00:43:20.900 --> 00:43:24.000 for you to establish it and it's 844 00:43:23.500 --> 00:43:26.100 also again kind of you've heard 845 00:43:26.100 --> 00:43:29.800 me say a couple times values and and what's 846 00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.200 important to you and so and 847 00:43:33.300 --> 00:43:37.200 I would say that working on your professional 848 00:43:36.200 --> 00:43:39.800 identity and really means 849 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.000 thinking about how do you 850 00:43:42.200 --> 00:43:45.600 want to present and what what do 851 00:43:45.600 --> 00:43:47.500 you want to be known for? 852 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:50.200 I you know. 853 00:43:51.100 --> 00:43:54.500 part of my professional identity is 854 00:43:54.500 --> 00:43:55.500 I 855 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.500 believe it is incredibly important and that 856 00:44:00.500 --> 00:44:04.300 people see me as someone who gives back that is 857 00:44:04.300 --> 00:44:07.600 part of my professional identity. 858 00:44:07.600 --> 00:44:10.200 And as I mentioned, you know earlier, it's something that 859 00:44:10.200 --> 00:44:13.200 is really important to me. I think you you really need 860 00:44:13.200 --> 00:44:13.500 to 861 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.400 Take this time while for students while you're 862 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:20.100 in law school to really think about that and think about 863 00:44:20.100 --> 00:44:23.700 how it is that that you want to present. And 864 00:44:23.700 --> 00:44:26.100 what do you want to be? What what is your 865 00:44:26.100 --> 00:44:29.300 what do you want to be known for and what kind of Legacy do 866 00:44:29.300 --> 00:44:33.200 you want to leave behind? Mm-hmm. Good good Lila bunker 867 00:44:33.200 --> 00:44:36.100 wrote in this question. What are some of 868 00:44:36.100 --> 00:44:39.700 the most common issues that Starbucks workers 869 00:44:39.700 --> 00:44:42.700 bring to you as as 870 00:44:42.700 --> 00:44:45.100 counsel regarding workplace Justice? 871 00:44:47.200 --> 00:44:50.200 I wouldn't say that's a great question. I would not 872 00:44:50.200 --> 00:44:54.300 say that they bring to me necessarily questions about 873 00:44:53.300 --> 00:44:56.700 workplace Justice and 874 00:44:56.700 --> 00:45:00.000 most of the issues that 875 00:44:59.200 --> 00:45:02.100 we are facing. So there's 876 00:45:02.100 --> 00:45:03.100 I guess there's 877 00:45:04.500 --> 00:45:04.700 there 878 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:09.100 there are Arts. We call our employees partners 879 00:45:08.100 --> 00:45:12.800 and as partners. 880 00:45:14.900 --> 00:45:17.900 We have an array of issues within the 881 00:45:17.900 --> 00:45:20.800 company that we are 882 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:23.100 facing. It's like any other 883 00:45:23.100 --> 00:45:26.400 workplace. There are issues where 884 00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.800 there are, you 885 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:33.300 know concerns about mistreatment there are 886 00:45:33.300 --> 00:45:36.000 concerns and within mistreatment. I 887 00:45:36.300 --> 00:45:42.000 would say sort of that. Yeah harassment discrimination. 888 00:45:43.100 --> 00:45:46.700 that kind of Falls all within within those buckets, but 889 00:45:47.700 --> 00:45:48.300 there are 890 00:45:49.300 --> 00:45:50.300 issues that 891 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.200 I would say those issues tend to 892 00:45:55.200 --> 00:45:58.400 just be part of how a business 893 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.800 is run. I wouldn't say that they necessarily come to 894 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.500 me to discuss those issues. 895 00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:07.600 But there certainly, you know issues regarding 896 00:46:07.600 --> 00:46:11.300 and ability to have a 897 00:46:11.300 --> 00:46:14.400 workplace where where our partners feel 898 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.100 that they are safe and that they 899 00:46:17.100 --> 00:46:20.000 are heard and that we are as a 900 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.700 company living our mission and values and if there 901 00:46:23.700 --> 00:46:26.400 is a belief or 902 00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:30.000 concern that and that trust code 903 00:46:29.300 --> 00:46:32.100 has been violated then those are the 904 00:46:32.100 --> 00:46:35.200 issues that and they have a recourse to kind 905 00:46:35.200 --> 00:46:39.300 of bring and those concerns forward that 906 00:46:38.300 --> 00:46:41.600 actually leads us to the last question 907 00:46:41.600 --> 00:46:44.500 which is a really a combination of 908 00:46:44.500 --> 00:46:47.200 many many many many of the questions that have 909 00:46:47.200 --> 00:46:50.000 been submitted and this one is from one of 910 00:46:50.200 --> 00:46:51.700 our law students Melissa blue. 911 00:46:52.700 --> 00:46:55.400 Who asks it this way? I think that the 912 00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:58.500 concepts of diversity and social justice are 913 00:46:58.500 --> 00:47:02.000 often intertwined for good reason, but that 914 00:47:01.300 --> 00:47:04.900 isn't always the case obviously ideas 915 00:47:04.900 --> 00:47:08.600 of diversity equity and inclusion imply 916 00:47:07.600 --> 00:47:10.500 something more than having 917 00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:13.600 diverse employees in workplaces. So while 918 00:47:13.600 --> 00:47:16.400 it is exciting and commendable to 919 00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:19.500 see increasing numbers of people of color and especially women 920 00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:22.700 of color in positions of power at places 921 00:47:22.700 --> 00:47:25.900 like Starbucks, what do you see as your 922 00:47:25.900 --> 00:47:28.300 responsibility or duty to social 923 00:47:28.300 --> 00:47:31.300 justice in your current role, especially in 924 00:47:31.300 --> 00:47:34.400 terms of how Starbucks has most recently been under Fire 925 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:38.400 for how they treat workers and unionize Etc. 926 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:39.200 Yeah, so 927 00:47:40.500 --> 00:47:44.100 and obviously there's a lot that is 928 00:47:43.100 --> 00:47:47.700 going on in the company 929 00:47:47.700 --> 00:47:51.000 and in the community and 930 00:47:50.900 --> 00:47:54.200 regarding workers' rights 931 00:47:53.200 --> 00:47:57.100 and and social justice and 932 00:47:58.200 --> 00:48:01.700 I would say that my role is to make sure that 933 00:48:01.700 --> 00:48:04.600 we are doing the right thing. 934 00:48:04.600 --> 00:48:07.600 That's actually something that I have always kind 935 00:48:07.600 --> 00:48:11.300 of live by as sort of my own personal Constitution 936 00:48:10.300 --> 00:48:13.500 and you can 937 00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:16.800 ask anyone who has come to my team that and 938 00:48:17.600 --> 00:48:20.200 As we look to Grapple with with different 939 00:48:20.200 --> 00:48:24.200 issues. I you know when I hire different partners 940 00:48:23.200 --> 00:48:27.100 within our department and I 941 00:48:26.100 --> 00:48:29.200 always stay, you know at the end of the day we 942 00:48:29.200 --> 00:48:32.600 need to do the right thing and so as 943 00:48:32.600 --> 00:48:36.600 it relates to the issue of social justice, 944 00:48:35.600 --> 00:48:38.200 that is the same. 945 00:48:39.200 --> 00:48:42.100 Principle that we follow as kind of 946 00:48:42.100 --> 00:48:45.700 our North Star people may not always agree 947 00:48:45.700 --> 00:48:49.500 with how we are approaching that but 948 00:48:48.500 --> 00:48:52.000 I would say that and as 949 00:48:51.500 --> 00:48:54.400 a company it is a company that 950 00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:57.600 is focused on on social 951 00:48:57.600 --> 00:49:00.400 justice and a company that is focused on doing 952 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.300 the right thing and the company that is focused on 953 00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:06.100 ensuring and the partners have 954 00:49:06.100 --> 00:49:09.600 a voice and that their voice is heard and my role 955 00:49:09.600 --> 00:49:13.000 as a legal professional 956 00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:15.700 is to ensure that that voice is continuing 957 00:49:15.700 --> 00:49:16.100 to be heard. 958 00:49:17.100 --> 00:49:20.800 You've honored Us by your presence and your wisdom. Thank you so much Sabrina, 959 00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:23.100 please join me in thanking my very 960 00:49:23.100 --> 00:49:26.000 special job and thank you all very much for your 961 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:26.400 question.